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		<title>By: HHaricot</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2009/01/26/that-consultation-a-first-draft/#comment-6663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HHaricot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[feel free to lift greer. more responses the merrier. thanks tbird]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feel free to lift greer. more responses the merrier. thanks tbird</p>
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		<title>By: greer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can I lift bits for my response? I am not educated in all the details but I want to take part.... worried my answers won&#039;t be very &#039;educated!!&#039;

lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can I lift bits for my response? I am not educated in all the details but I want to take part&#8230;. worried my answers won&#8217;t be very &#8216;educated!!&#8217;</p>
<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: tbird</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2009/01/26/that-consultation-a-first-draft/#comment-6661</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your points about &quot;support&quot; for home edders.  I hadn&#039;t thought of it in terms of accessing exams and OU courses but yes, it&#039;s a good point.  And I&#039;m impressed that you went and looked up the whole &quot;Every Child Matters&quot; guff, I took the stance of comparing them to the internationally agreed basic rights for children (because I had a copy of a Guiding resource based round it to hand!!) and mentioned that the right that was missing from the guidance was a right to an identity which encompasses the right to follow the faith and lifestyle of their choice but reading your reply it would appear to be given an &quot;honourable mention&quot; if not actually shouted about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your points about &#8220;support&#8221; for home edders.  I hadn&#8217;t thought of it in terms of accessing exams and OU courses but yes, it&#8217;s a good point.  And I&#8217;m impressed that you went and looked up the whole &#8220;Every Child Matters&#8221; guff, I took the stance of comparing them to the internationally agreed basic rights for children (because I had a copy of a Guiding resource based round it to hand!!) and mentioned that the right that was missing from the guidance was a right to an identity which encompasses the right to follow the faith and lifestyle of their choice but reading your reply it would appear to be given an &#8220;honourable mention&#8221; if not actually shouted about.</p>
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		<title>By: HHaricot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HHaricot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think we should all complain, i have drafted around a sample complaint letter from eo list and adjusted it a bit and will send it to:
info@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk, csfcom@parliament.uk, complaints@dfes.gsi.gov.uk and
Rt Hon Ed Balls MP &lt;ballse @parliament.uk&gt; as well as my MP through the they work for you [he has always responded before

I wish to complain about the current consultation on Home Education.
there are a number of areas that are the basis of my complaint

1. It does not comply with the code of practice for consultations as
it is not running for at least 12 weeks. 

&quot;All consultation documents should conform to the seven criteria from
the Code of Practice on Consultation. These are listed opposite. No
Department is exempt and ministers are obliged to explain any
departure from the code.

Consult widely throughout the process, allowing a minimum of 12 weeks
for written consultation at least once during the development of the
policy&quot;

2.The consultation is only open to people who respond online, i.e. no
written representations are permitted, again, this is in breech of the
code of practice.

3. The consultation itself is also discriminatory against the home ed
community. Abuse takes place in all walks of life and to single out
home educators as being responsible for it is offensive and
discriminatory.

4. The wording of Q6 is misleading:

&quot;Some people have expressed concern that home education could be used
as a cover for child abuse, forced marriage, domestic servitude or
other forms of child neglect.  What do you think Government should do
to ensure this does not happen?&quot;

In the first sentence it says &quot;some people have expressed concern....&quot;
and then goes onto say, &quot;What should the government do to ensure this
does not happen&quot; The second sentence assumes that the first is true
when it is only an assumption. 

I would like to see the evidence behind this. it appears that the
NSPCC itself holds no evidence for this. I find, in the absence of any
references given, this to be a defamatory statement [In law,
defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is
the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly
stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual,
business, product, group, government or nation a negative image] and
feel that this should be immediately retracted.

I would like to point out that like other children, those home
educated access healthcare providers, community facilities and have
families, neighbours and friends, all of whom would be able to access
the standard child protection facilities. In all the high profile
child protection stories in the newspapers, there have been multiple
flags from a variety of professionals including doctors and social
services already involved. It does not appear that the presence [or
absence in the case of some withdrawn] of schooling has been a
deciding or flagging factor in raising the alarm of abuse.

I would also like to state that these repeated consultations are a
form of government intimidation and bullying. There appears to be
wilful and persistent spreading of rumours and slander against the
home education population without corroborative evidence, suggesting
that the parents within that group abuse their children or are not
educating their children or looking towards their wider welfare. there
is a clear imbalance of power towards the government, leaving home
educators feeling defenceless and bullied.

I will be including this in a complaint to the Select Committee for
Children Schools and Families [csfcom@...] and also to my MP

I would appreciate your comments on this consultation. I believe it
should be withdrawn as it does not comply with the code of practice
and it is discriminatory. I would like an apology given to the home education community for misrepresenting them in this way.&lt;/ballse&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we should all complain, i have drafted around a sample complaint letter from eo list and adjusted it a bit and will send it to:<br />
<a href="mailto:info@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk">info@dcsf.gsi.gov.uk</a>, <a href="mailto:csfcom@parliament.uk">csfcom@parliament.uk</a>, <a href="mailto:complaints@dfes.gsi.gov.uk">complaints@dfes.gsi.gov.uk</a> and<br />
Rt Hon Ed Balls MP <ballse @parliament.uk> as well as my MP through the they work for you [he has always responded before</p>
<p>I wish to complain about the current consultation on Home Education.<br />
there are a number of areas that are the basis of my complaint</p>
<p>1. It does not comply with the code of practice for consultations as<br />
it is not running for at least 12 weeks. </p>
<p>&#8220;All consultation documents should conform to the seven criteria from<br />
the Code of Practice on Consultation. These are listed opposite. No<br />
Department is exempt and ministers are obliged to explain any<br />
departure from the code.</p>
<p>Consult widely throughout the process, allowing a minimum of 12 weeks<br />
for written consultation at least once during the development of the<br />
policy&#8221;</p>
<p>2.The consultation is only open to people who respond online, i.e. no<br />
written representations are permitted, again, this is in breech of the<br />
code of practice.</p>
<p>3. The consultation itself is also discriminatory against the home ed<br />
community. Abuse takes place in all walks of life and to single out<br />
home educators as being responsible for it is offensive and<br />
discriminatory.</p>
<p>4. The wording of Q6 is misleading:</p>
<p>&#8220;Some people have expressed concern that home education could be used<br />
as a cover for child abuse, forced marriage, domestic servitude or<br />
other forms of child neglect.  What do you think Government should do<br />
to ensure this does not happen?&#8221;</p>
<p>In the first sentence it says &#8220;some people have expressed concern&#8230;.&#8221;<br />
and then goes onto say, &#8220;What should the government do to ensure this<br />
does not happen&#8221; The second sentence assumes that the first is true<br />
when it is only an assumption. </p>
<p>I would like to see the evidence behind this. it appears that the<br />
NSPCC itself holds no evidence for this. I find, in the absence of any<br />
references given, this to be a defamatory statement [In law,<br />
defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is<br />
the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly<br />
stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual,<br />
business, product, group, government or nation a negative image] and<br />
feel that this should be immediately retracted.</p>
<p>I would like to point out that like other children, those home<br />
educated access healthcare providers, community facilities and have<br />
families, neighbours and friends, all of whom would be able to access<br />
the standard child protection facilities. In all the high profile<br />
child protection stories in the newspapers, there have been multiple<br />
flags from a variety of professionals including doctors and social<br />
services already involved. It does not appear that the presence [or<br />
absence in the case of some withdrawn] of schooling has been a<br />
deciding or flagging factor in raising the alarm of abuse.</p>
<p>I would also like to state that these repeated consultations are a<br />
form of government intimidation and bullying. There appears to be<br />
wilful and persistent spreading of rumours and slander against the<br />
home education population without corroborative evidence, suggesting<br />
that the parents within that group abuse their children or are not<br />
educating their children or looking towards their wider welfare. there<br />
is a clear imbalance of power towards the government, leaving home<br />
educators feeling defenceless and bullied.</p>
<p>I will be including this in a complaint to the Select Committee for<br />
Children Schools and Families [csfcom@...] and also to my MP</p>
<p>I would appreciate your comments on this consultation. I believe it<br />
should be withdrawn as it does not comply with the code of practice<br />
and it is discriminatory. I would like an apology given to the home education community for misrepresenting them in this way.</ballse></p>
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		<title>By: Jax</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2009/01/26/that-consultation-a-first-draft/#comment-6659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the complaint thing, can we all do that? And youranswer to question 4 is very similar to mine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the complaint thing, can we all do that? And youranswer to question 4 is very similar to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: HHaricot</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2009/01/26/that-consultation-a-first-draft/#comment-6658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HHaricot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, there is where i am going to do the bullying thing again, but will pretty much take that line of hearsay/slander and nspcc admitting no evidence whatsoever.
but in all these forms, you need to fill it all in for it to be counted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, there is where i am going to do the bullying thing again, but will pretty much take that line of hearsay/slander and nspcc admitting no evidence whatsoever.<br />
but in all these forms, you need to fill it all in for it to be counted</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only one of the questions counts. There are a couple of laughable questions like the one about &quot;support&quot; for home edders. I did say that I thought it would be a good idea if they started doing that. 

But, I think the whole point is in the last question:


Some people have expressed concern that home education could be used as a cover for child abuse,forced marriage,domestic servitude or other forms of child neglect. 
What do you think Government should do to ensure this does not happen?

Answer:
I think the Government should desist from perpetuating this kind of vilificiation,here and elsewhere.In the absence of evidence,why are you  persisting with this? Whoever drafted this consultation should explain publicly why they feel entitled to drop in these snide,vile,sick and baseless insinuations yet again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only one of the questions counts. There are a couple of laughable questions like the one about &#8220;support&#8221; for home edders. I did say that I thought it would be a good idea if they started doing that. </p>
<p>But, I think the whole point is in the last question:</p>
<p>Some people have expressed concern that home education could be used as a cover for child abuse,forced marriage,domestic servitude or other forms of child neglect.<br />
What do you think Government should do to ensure this does not happen?</p>
<p>Answer:<br />
I think the Government should desist from perpetuating this kind of vilificiation,here and elsewhere.In the absence of evidence,why are you  persisting with this? Whoever drafted this consultation should explain publicly why they feel entitled to drop in these snide,vile,sick and baseless insinuations yet again.</p>
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		<title>By: HHaricot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HHaricot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ah yes LA bugger, thanks jax.
i am not sure how much detail they are looked at, but i do think they have to keep it incase their ourcomes are criticised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah yes LA bugger, thanks jax.<br />
i am not sure how much detail they are looked at, but i do think they have to keep it incase their ourcomes are criticised.</p>
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		<title>By: Jax</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2009/01/26/that-consultation-a-first-draft/#comment-6655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LA, not LEA any more. Most excellent response, hugely more detailed than mine, although I note that we came up with much the same response to 2 d) (what does that mean anyway?)  I didn&#039;t do anything sensible like keeping copies, just typed it in and submit, sort of thought that they would send me a copy back, but they don&#039;t.

Am sure that responses do get looked at Michelle, if only so they can work out which buttons to push next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA, not LEA any more. Most excellent response, hugely more detailed than mine, although I note that we came up with much the same response to 2 d) (what does that mean anyway?)  I didn&#8217;t do anything sensible like keeping copies, just typed it in and submit, sort of thought that they would send me a copy back, but they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Am sure that responses do get looked at Michelle, if only so they can work out which buttons to push next.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no enthusiasm for the task.  Have responded on all (and will again on this) but do feel that I put a lot of effort and time into my responses that I suspect do not even get glanced at let alone read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no enthusiasm for the task.  Have responded on all (and will again on this) but do feel that I put a lot of effort and time into my responses that I suspect do not even get glanced at let alone read.</p>
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