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		<title>By: HHaricot</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2010/10/01/secondary-education-wobbles/#comment-7851</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks everyone for a lot of food for thought and info there. still a bit wobbly, but have enough to start with x x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks everyone for a lot of food for thought and info there. still a bit wobbly, but have enough to start with x x</p>
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		<title>By: Guess the Number &#124; Home Ed Grows Up</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guess the Number &#124; Home Ed Grows Up]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] found Helen&#8217;s post on Secondary Education Wobbles very thought provoking; although we&#8217;ve (more or less) decided to home educate right the way [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found Helen&#8217;s post on Secondary Education Wobbles very thought provoking; although we&#8217;ve (more or less) decided to home educate right the way [...] </p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2010/10/01/secondary-education-wobbles/#comment-7849</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 00:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooh, I followed Michelle&#039;s link and found that there are quite a few state schools doing IB - http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?nextStart=1 ... 2 schools near(ish) to us, plus one 6th form college. I like the look of that and think Gwenny might like it too, perhaps that&#039;s something to work towards. And now I shall go to bed and stop making up plans for my children that they may or may not go along with!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, I followed Michelle&#8217;s link and found that there are quite a few state schools doing IB &#8211; <a href="http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?nextStart=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibo.org/school/search/index.cfm?nextStart=1</a> &#8230; 2 schools near(ish) to us, plus one 6th form college. I like the look of that and think Gwenny might like it too, perhaps that&#8217;s something to work towards. And now I shall go to bed and stop making up plans for my children that they may or may not go along with!</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
		<link>http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/2010/10/01/secondary-education-wobbles/#comment-7848</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll be 46 - at least 20 years of &#039;working&#039; life ahead of me, probably more by the time we reach retirement by which point pensions won&#039;t kick in til we&#039;re about 85 and can pass a full medical ;). Either that or &#039;participation age&#039; will have caught up with *me* and I&#039;ll be ushered back into education :lol:

We&#039;re in it for the long haul. I have never had uni or even qualifications of any sort as an intended end result for HE. I&#039;m of the opinion that at some point in the next 4 years or so (ie by the time they hit 14) they will have some idea of what they&#039;d like to do in life and we can find out what they need to know / prove / experience to make that happen. If it&#039;s qualifications then we&#039;ll work towards those in managable, sensible chunks over time - either as private candidates / college at 16 / OU or something. I&#039;m guessing knowing my children that it will be more about experience in the fields they are interested in so we would probably focus more on building that with some paper qualifcations as back up if required.

They have a pretty diverse mix of friends, locally and nationally and various &#039;after school&#039; groups too so the odd child here and  then disappeaing off to school doesn&#039;t really hit their radar. This will change again for us next year going off travelling and then no doubt change again depending on what happens next in our lives.

For now, school is something neither of them are remotely interested in, offers nothing that they seem to require or want and just doesn&#039;t seem relevant. I would have no qualms about my ability to support them or find the right support for them to get to at least A level standard in anything they might want to study - but TBH even at GCSE I recall a lot of the learning starting to become self driven and motivated by pupil effort rather than calibre of teaching and I&#039;m hoping motivation, effort and passion will be qualities never lacking in the way I am raising my kids.

Of course they could end up having some sort of crisis, chucking everything in and bumming around the country for a year, but it&#039;s a risk I&#039;m prepared to take ;). 

Seriously though Helen, I have always considered the education you provide for SB and BB to be child centred, passion and interest led, resource rich, broad and varied and presented as an adventure you are embarking on alongside them. I don&#039;t think it is possible to offer much greater than that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be 46 &#8211; at least 20 years of &#8216;working&#8217; life ahead of me, probably more by the time we reach retirement by which point pensions won&#8217;t kick in til we&#8217;re about 85 and can pass a full medical ;). Either that or &#8216;participation age&#8217; will have caught up with *me* and I&#8217;ll be ushered back into education <img src="http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>We&#8217;re in it for the long haul. I have never had uni or even qualifications of any sort as an intended end result for HE. I&#8217;m of the opinion that at some point in the next 4 years or so (ie by the time they hit 14) they will have some idea of what they&#8217;d like to do in life and we can find out what they need to know / prove / experience to make that happen. If it&#8217;s qualifications then we&#8217;ll work towards those in managable, sensible chunks over time &#8211; either as private candidates / college at 16 / OU or something. I&#8217;m guessing knowing my children that it will be more about experience in the fields they are interested in so we would probably focus more on building that with some paper qualifcations as back up if required.</p>
<p>They have a pretty diverse mix of friends, locally and nationally and various &#8216;after school&#8217; groups too so the odd child here and  then disappeaing off to school doesn&#8217;t really hit their radar. This will change again for us next year going off travelling and then no doubt change again depending on what happens next in our lives.</p>
<p>For now, school is something neither of them are remotely interested in, offers nothing that they seem to require or want and just doesn&#8217;t seem relevant. I would have no qualms about my ability to support them or find the right support for them to get to at least A level standard in anything they might want to study &#8211; but TBH even at GCSE I recall a lot of the learning starting to become self driven and motivated by pupil effort rather than calibre of teaching and I&#8217;m hoping motivation, effort and passion will be qualities never lacking in the way I am raising my kids.</p>
<p>Of course they could end up having some sort of crisis, chucking everything in and bumming around the country for a year, but it&#8217;s a risk I&#8217;m prepared to take ;). </p>
<p>Seriously though Helen, I have always considered the education you provide for SB and BB to be child centred, passion and interest led, resource rich, broad and varied and presented as an adventure you are embarking on alongside them. I don&#8217;t think it is possible to offer much greater than that.</p>
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		<title>By: layla</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been thinking of all the 16th/18th/21st birthday parties that will be starting before we know it ... then grandkids!!!!!!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 14:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 110th birthday party will be good though :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 110th birthday party will be good though <img src="http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daddybean</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 13:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll be 59! when BB turns 18 :-)  60 if we take it to the end of that school year.

Getting qualifications doesn&#039;t concern me too much I think at the moment. There are always ways and means. If you just want to get a wodge of GSCE&#039;s then going into school in years 10 or 11 seems one way to do it.  Someone in Leeds went into school in year 9 for that reason IIRC.  

Another local HE-er&#039;s daughter went somewhere, might have been a private school or colledge for year 11 to do GSCE&#039;s  - a bit intense doing it all in one year but seemed to do ok. (now at a local FE colledge doing A levels). Though a motivation for that was also making some friends. They came over from the US when she was about 13-14 where there we are lot more HE-ers but founhd a paucity of HE-ers of her age range around here.

IIRC their son, who is a older did A levels at home   - now doing Maths at Cambridge.

Doing &#039;something&#039; at a round 14 for starters seems a potential move. OU or GSCES&#039;s I&#039;m sure SB could do science stuff at that point.

@kirsty, yeah we&#039;ll will abe looking jealosuly at you as we draw our pensions :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be 59! when BB turns 18 <img src="http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" />   60 if we take it to the end of that school year.</p>
<p>Getting qualifications doesn&#8217;t concern me too much I think at the moment. There are always ways and means. If you just want to get a wodge of GSCE&#8217;s then going into school in years 10 or 11 seems one way to do it.  Someone in Leeds went into school in year 9 for that reason IIRC.  </p>
<p>Another local HE-er&#8217;s daughter went somewhere, might have been a private school or colledge for year 11 to do GSCE&#8217;s  &#8211; a bit intense doing it all in one year but seemed to do ok. (now at a local FE colledge doing A levels). Though a motivation for that was also making some friends. They came over from the US when she was about 13-14 where there we are lot more HE-ers but founhd a paucity of HE-ers of her age range around here.</p>
<p>IIRC their son, who is a older did A levels at home   &#8211; now doing Maths at Cambridge.</p>
<p>Doing &#8216;something&#8217; at a round 14 for starters seems a potential move. OU or GSCES&#8217;s I&#8217;m sure SB could do science stuff at that point.</p>
<p>@kirsty, yeah we&#8217;ll will abe looking jealosuly at you as we draw our pensions <img src="http://petitsharicots.org.uk/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Merry</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 09:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trying not to think about the age thing. I&#039;d already mooted in my head and out loud the thought of alternative but not HE education for Freddie and I think if we do have any more then it will have to be some sort of school. I&#039;d have been 54 before Freddie was 18 and any more now - well, doesn&#039;t bear thinking about!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying not to think about the age thing. I&#8217;d already mooted in my head and out loud the thought of alternative but not HE education for Freddie and I think if we do have any more then it will have to be some sort of school. I&#8217;d have been 54 before Freddie was 18 and any more now &#8211; well, doesn&#8217;t bear thinking about!</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry 15k, not 45!]]></description>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 07:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When we started He my criteria was that we had to find a way not to be doing it by the time we were fifty. Well, that went well. Not. There are no selective schools in Scotland and we can&#039;t afford/ won&#039;t afford 45k a year at thus stage in our own lives. So unless Hannah chooses the local comp at some point then we are in for the duration. As we&#039;ve never had local support we are used to not having it but I can see how losing it after you are used to it would ve a challenge. I know I wobble as Internet friends go down the school route. Hannah&#039;s loose plan is highers at FE college (she is working to the sylabus now though she still has another year before even standard grades required. She is then going to go to Spain for 6 months, do a Diploma in Outdoor Ed and get fluent. She then plans to support herself through OU if she wants to do a degree. It&#039;s a plan that has more going for it than anything I had at 14. She won&#039;t be a doctor dentist or lawyer  and I know a lot of my URL friends see that as a failure of HE. Most are fiercely aspirational for their kids in terms of careers. Of course I want her to have the freedom of choice bit I just can&#039;t overthink it. I do wonder sometimes if what happened to Hannah has coloured a lot of our thoughts about what matters most.  Hope you come to a decsion That works for you alll, and on phone so sorry if not v articulate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we started He my criteria was that we had to find a way not to be doing it by the time we were fifty. Well, that went well. Not. There are no selective schools in Scotland and we can&#8217;t afford/ won&#8217;t afford 45k a year at thus stage in our own lives. So unless Hannah chooses the local comp at some point then we are in for the duration. As we&#8217;ve never had local support we are used to not having it but I can see how losing it after you are used to it would ve a challenge. I know I wobble as Internet friends go down the school route. Hannah&#8217;s loose plan is highers at FE college (she is working to the sylabus now though she still has another year before even standard grades required. She is then going to go to Spain for 6 months, do a Diploma in Outdoor Ed and get fluent. She then plans to support herself through OU if she wants to do a degree. It&#8217;s a plan that has more going for it than anything I had at 14. She won&#8217;t be a doctor dentist or lawyer  and I know a lot of my URL friends see that as a failure of HE. Most are fiercely aspirational for their kids in terms of careers. Of course I want her to have the freedom of choice bit I just can&#8217;t overthink it. I do wonder sometimes if what happened to Hannah has coloured a lot of our thoughts about what matters most.  Hope you come to a decsion That works for you alll, and on phone so sorry if not v articulate!</p>
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